The Light in Every Thing
Deeper conversation on the mysteries of Christianity with Patrick Kennedy and Jonah Evans, directors of the Seminary of The Christian Community in North America.
In this podcast we engage the great questions of life and do this through a spiritual approach to Christianity made possible through contemplative inquiry and the science of the spirit known as Anthroposophy.
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The Light in Every Thing
Christ as the Earth's Intelligence: Mission Series Part I
Have you ever wondered whether Christianity is meant to remain consistently the same over time or constantly reinvent itself? In this thought-provoking conversation, we explore a radical third option: Christianity as a living organism with both consistent and evolving elements across its biography.
The jumping-off point of this conversation is a revelation from the new Easter liturgy in The Christian Community. We dive deep into the phrasing used there—that He is risen to us as the “Erden-sinn”—Christ as the meaning, purpose, and intelligence of Earth itself.
Perhaps most fascinating is how this episode connects technological evolution with spiritual development. Just as tools evolve from simple shovels to sophisticated computers, Christianity transforms while maintaining its essential mission. “I am the Alpha and Omega,” Christ declares—both seed and flower of an unfolding world, community, and individual reality.
We conclude by exploring our unique historical moment, where humanity has matured to the point that our thinking can directly connect with Christ’s intelligence. This represents a radical shift from earlier Christian epochs that emphasized faith over understanding. What might it mean for your own spiritual journey to “take this into your thinking”?
Join us next time as we continue exploring the Easter liturgy and its implications for finding purpose and meaning in all that we go through on Earth.
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Good morning Jonah, good morning Patrick.
Speaker 3:It's time. It's time, it's time for another episode.
Speaker 2:This is, dear friends, the Light in Everything.
Speaker 3:Where two priests, two seminary directors, two lancers discuss the mysteries of Christ in a little room In Vaughan Ontario, in Vaughan Ontario, and we're so happy to be here again with you all. Welcome.
Speaker 2:We begin with a reading of a line, one verse from the Gospel of John, which is a kind of guiding verse for our work. It's in chapter 8, verse 12. Again, jesus spoke to them saying I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness but will have the light of life.
Speaker 1:but will have the light of life, hmm.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm struck this morning again by our verse that he's walking somewhere. Hey, where's he going? Whoever follows me like he's going somewhere and that inspires in my heart this morning as we have these three last episodes before our summer break yeah, break, pause and trying to divine and sense what should we talk about?
Speaker 2:Winter break for the brothers and sisters. Down, divine and sense. What should we talk about?
Speaker 3:Winter break for the brothers and sisters down south yes, let's not exclude them Winter break. I'm inspired about the question of, yeah, purpose, when are we going If we're following him and he's walking somewhere? There's implied there a mission, a purpose, a task, a direction. And I've been really contemplating this question in the biggest sense and also in a more specific sense in terms of what are we doing here with this seminary, with this movement for religious renewal? And so that's kind of the direction that I'd like to go this morning is what is our purpose? What is our purpose, what is our mission? And I'd love to look at it through the lens of the big picture and the more specific picture, if possible. The big picture of, well, Christ is the light of the world and he's walking and everyone who feels senses, is attuned to that light, can follow. So there's a kind of big mission and that, if you allow me to just talk a little bit as a way of introducing and then I want to ask you a direct question, also related to Easter that kind of big universal picture Christ is the light of the world and he's calling every human heart you could say, is captured in our title. It's pretty radical, I think the the is actually very important, Mm. Yeah, Because it's a bit provocative, but it points to the universality of what we're trying to do. Yeah, to the universality of what we're trying to do. This is not just a sect or a branch or something for special people, it's the universal Catholic in the root meaning of the word. Universal, Not Roman Catholic, but Catholic Ecclesia, All those who know Christ and follow Christ.
Speaker 3:And then there's an interesting second part to our title which says Movement for Religious Renewal. So it's like even in our title is contained a universal task, a universal purpose, a universal connection. And then I don't know if anyone's ever even heard of the term movement for religious renewal before we were born. And what is our? Why is this movement here? Why aren't we Catholic? Why aren't we Orthodox? Why didn't we just Be Protestant, Be Protestant Lutherans? What's our unique? Do we have a unique, specific mission within the universal body of Christ?
Speaker 3:And I think what inspired me this morning to talk about this is really part of, you could say, maybe the main word that shines out from our altars on Easter. I was inspired to look at the Easter liturgy, the beginning, Easter liturgy for the next three episodes, but start with the end, which is connected so much to this mission, this task, this purpose question and I'll just remind our listeners, because I know you know it well, of the main picture, the main ideas, the main expression of this striking event that takes place at our altars, where the priest turns around at the end of a kind of, you could say, three-part epistle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe paint the scene a little too, because not all of our listeners even know what a chapel looks like. Okay, yeah, even more, just so they can picture it.
Speaker 3:So we're in the chapel, the priest is at the altar. It's the beginning of the service. The colors are red and green.
Speaker 2:Yeah, red hanging in front of the altar, red on the main liturgical garment over the priest, with figures and shapes in green on it. It's a bright cadmium red too. It's not like a deep brick red. It's a really bright red, yeah, Strong light-filled red and a really classic bright green, vibrant green yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and the priest is there at the altar, the candles are lit, the servers are also investments on the right and the left. And the striking moment at the end of this initial epistle, or you could say prayer letter from God to us, specific for Easter, and the priest at the end, the third part, turns around and, with hands, palms facing the congregation, hands up, palms facing the congregation, fingers closed and a kind of bestowal almost, but it's an interesting gesture Then says words that have the meaning. Now is the task for your word, your mouth, to speak.
Speaker 2:You who are gathered here, you who are gathered here.
Speaker 3:It's a call from the altar, from the priest, from all that streams through the altar, for the congregation's word to go forth to be spoken. It's a call for them to become speakers. Your word go forth, and may that word also be spirit-filled. That the Spirit has awoken an inspirative word to come out of you, and that word then is described, that it should be inspired by the fact that Christ is risen, but not just objectively, so to speak, that Christ is risen to you, that in your own self you have discovered the risen one as an individual, but also as a community, and not that just he's risen, but you've discovered that he is actually the purpose and meaning of the earth, purpose and meaning of the earth, in other words of life, of evolution, of existence. So it's striking to me this morning that the kind of main proclamation of Easter, which is the central Christian festival, is for you as a human self, to become a proclaimer of the risen one, out of your own experience, that this being and all that that means is the purpose and meaning of life. So I thought in that light we could, then I would ask you to lead us further now into what does that mean for us as a movement? What's our purpose?
Speaker 3:There's a universal aspect of that that's true for all. There's a unique aspect that has to do with this movement for religious renewal, and I thought we could just start to enter that this morning this mission. What are we doing? What does that even mean for an individual of any sort? Yeah, so I don't know if anywhere. I'm sure it sparks your heart somewhere. But, however, you can lead us into that next step. I would love to talk about mission.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, well, I think it's interesting to me kind of hearing where my soul is being drawn to go at first this morning. It feels so connected to you could say a question. Well, well, that which was begun and inaugurated by Christ and his disciples some 2,000 years ago has been in a story and the way that has come to expression has transformed through the ages that we were in, that the stages and ages and where it was rooted and centered and kind of a next thing would develop. You know, there isn't a St Francis who I think most of us who are related to Christianity would feel he's such an essential expression of who the church is in its being. But there's not a St Francis until the 1300s, 1200s. That's a long time.
Speaker 2:That's 1,200 years later, and he's like one of these beautiful fruits from the tree of this universal ecclesia, and you see that. Or in Athanasius he comes about 300, some 25 years after Christ, and you could go on and on through the years, the Hildegard from being in Martin Luther King Jr. Or you can go and just see the fruits that grow from this tree that are so specific also to a time and an age, and what is it that's? What is it that is growing in Christ, through those who are in him, because he's the vine and we are the branches, and so it's a living organism.
Speaker 2:And I think that's just such an important understanding that the church is not actually a stone thing, a static, dead thing, which it behaves like sometimes, and there are parts that we gather in stone things. Right, right, there are fixed places where we may gather, yeah, but all of the places where we feel a fixedness in the body of the church, it can feel like this is potentially dangerous and separate from its life. It's important to have patterns and habits and traditions and you need form, and form is always a part of the mystery of Christianity. It is the unification of body which is the fixed form element and the creative element of the universe that is ever-moving and utterly malleable and always capable of transformation, which is the spirit, it is the word made flesh. He's always interested in that mystery. How do these two things, the creative power and the expressed form, live in a dynamic life process together?
Speaker 3:I love that. It's like you're bringing us back to well, what is an actual living being? Yeah, first of all, because you're pointing us to the fact that, actually, christianity is a living being. It's not just a stone, right? But on the other hand, christ describes himself as a stone, and we know in any living being, like you sitting right here but, on the other hand, christ describes himself as a stone and we know in any living, being like you sitting right here.
Speaker 2:You've got stone qualities.
Speaker 3:If I didn't have stones in me, I'd be a puddle of disgustingness in your room, right now, your spirit would never be able to speak through your mouth, through your teeth that are like little stones. So I think I love the fact that.
Speaker 2:okay, let's base it in what is a living being Well, a living being has got fixed qualities if it's incarnated on the earth and fixed is, and what one looks for then is even our bodies are dying and being regenerated, actually all the time. Yeah, so the form that we have looks fixed to our physical eyes, but when we see our bodies with the eyes of the mind, we can discover, whoa, there are streams of substances going into this body, drawing from its environment, and there are streams of substances passing out of this body back to the environment. Actually, you're a river, and you're a river of activities, of something coming in, that being made into your form, and then that form dissolving again and being passed out into the cosmos Right and then getting a new form. And like this Jonah is not the same Jonah that I'm looking at right now that I met 20 years ago.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And it's not the same from 20 years before that and that will be in 20 years. I'm a little bit worried to see you know it's gonna look a little different.
Speaker 2:What are we gonna look like in 20 years? Right, so you can see. Actually it's in a, it's maya, it's illusion, the way in which things look fixed to us, to our eyes. Eyes, that's right, but there are some things like it's like.
Speaker 2:Some things don't degenerate well, like plastic, these artificial forms which have less life in them, don't die well, things that are truly dangerously dead, aren't in a flow at all, even in their form, and that can be one of the signs of something that it's not well. It's not even in the form process, in a dying and being reborn even in its form. So, with that kind of principle in mind, then you can see how there are these moments in the biography of the body of the ecclesia, because this is what the New Testament and the early church understood. The New Testament and the early church understood the mystery that was revealed to them was Jesus of Nazareth, was the body for this creative spirit for a time, with the moment when he breathed his spirit into his disciples and that spirit was no longer just living in him then the community that is connected to him.
Speaker 2:Also, when they took in his body in the form of the bread drank in his blood, in the form of transformed wine, he was no longer just in his single Jesus body. He was no longer just in his single Jesus body. The community became the place where his creative spirit and intelligence was active. That is, in the language of the church you would say, the community became his body. So that means the self-understanding of Christ is that we are now also his body. That body itself, then, is in a biographical transformational process through the millennia. Okay, so that's radical.
Speaker 3:We've got to stop there.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Because I'm just also aware of the fact of our theological brothers and sisters for many, many, many centuries, To say that Christianity as a being as a body, Christianity as a being as a body, that Christ himself in his community, is on a biographical journey, actually evolving. That is something that you don't hear often.
Speaker 2:In fact, it's pretty it's scary, right you can feel it's scary because there has to be something eternal in that body that is unchanging, so that, no matter which version of it you may meet, if it's true, something of the original mission and identity should be the same all the way through, should be the same all the way through. But that's not that hard for us to wrap our minds around, I think in our age, because we see, yes, jonah's body has changed but Jonah is still the essential part, even though I have also evolved my being, even the inner part of my being.
Speaker 3:but there's still something that stays.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you go into it, you see well, yeah, I mean what has evolved? Yeah, your life habits have evolved, your soul capacities have evolved, but there's like a mission in jonah. That's really kind of been coming since the beginning there's a true, and this is where we touch on it right, the mission. Like there's a sentness inside you. I'm sent from God.
Speaker 2:And that I was watching this interesting video yesterday. It was a conversation between Sam Altman, who is the CEO and creative mind behind the famous OpenAI organization, that is, behind ChatGPT, and he's talking with Talking with one of the world famous people within the technology design world. It's something like Johnny Ive, I believe his name is. He's an older person than Sam, he's British and he's credited with, like the design of the iPhone Wow, credited with the design of the iPhone and the design of the MacBook, which are considered peak technological design moments in the history of all technology.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah.
Speaker 2:He started his own company called IO or 1-0-I-O, started his own company called io or one zero io. And they have now so open. Ai has now purchased io and they have a goal to develop a suite of technology tailored to the ai revolution. So they're saying to all of the big tech companies we're coming for you, hey apple, we're not just making an intelligent operating systems and artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2:And I promise francis is going to relate, hang in there with me um, but they're, they're having this, um this conversation in like a cafe in san francisco and um, I actually did lose the thread.
Speaker 3:That's crazy. No worries, hold on a sec, it'll come back what were we talking about with the um?
Speaker 2:the jumping off point was about with the jumping off point was yeah, I'm also forgetting.
Speaker 3:We were talking about growth and development. You were saying there's something that remains in my. You were talking about me In the sense of my mission Mission that you can see that still, yes, and somehow that went into AI. Maybe there's some mission that remains, even though they I don't know Weird.
Speaker 2:I got distracted by the memory part of the details, trying to just catch you guys up with the picture.
Speaker 3:All right, Well, scratch that, we can link back to the.
Speaker 2:Well, no, that's it. I think there it is. Yeah, so what they found was what was inspiring them was the body. The technological bodies that were available, meaning computers and phones, were born from a world of computing design before AI, and as they discussed things together, they had become friends and acquaintances and were like, actually, we need a new body for what this thing is? Because artificial intelligence is a completely new kind of way in which computing takes place.
Speaker 3:It's like a new level, a new purpose, a new working.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it needs a new stone. The structure in which that intelligence works, interesting Needs to go through a transformation in order for actually the next step to happen.
Speaker 3:Right. So you could say there's a biography in the history of technology produced by mankind. Yes, and that biography has evolutionary stages, but there's something that's always remained, and at every stage the mission becomes more complicated or in a way broader, or whatever it is, and that calls for new types of forms new types of bodies.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and you see it, of course, beautifully. In the plant world there's a certain kind of fulfilled stage in the seed, right, but that's not all it's capable of. No, it can throw roots down and sprout Whoa, that's like a whole new thing. Produce fruit, right, and then it can have a stem and grow big leaves Like whoa. Look at that and you're like that's not all it's capable of. Then the leaves reduce and it gathers up and it forms a bud and forms an internal world and then opens that and you're like, oh, my goodness, flower, that's like a totally new stage of its being Right and has new form, brings to expression something that was hidden in its own nature and essence from the beginning. Nice, I love this. You can't say that the flower that emerges in the rose is not connected to the seed, but don't begin to tell me that. The seed looks like the flower, right, that's truly a new expression of itself, but it is its identity.
Speaker 3:Well said, wonderful. This is laying down how to understand an evolving mission.
Speaker 2:Yeah, In terms of its expression, yeah, in terms of what it is unfolding in its own identity. In terms of what it is unfolding in its own identity and it turns out in the seed is the mission of the flower. It actually is trying to get to the stage of the flower. It is not trying to preserve its bodily expression in the seed form. So the preservation and conservative gesture of form holding has its place, but it constantly needs to be asking itself what is this leading to? That's why mission is so key, and the flower is not the end either. That's right.
Speaker 3:So if we get stuck on looking back to the original body and structure of Christianity as a movement period, then we'll be making the mistake of thinking that all we're meant to be is seed, so to speak, and not seeing that we're going to evolve, to blossom maybe, but that there's a similar constant thread in its full mission, because in the seed is contained everything. So I mean, I can also see that very strongly in the context of technology that you brought up. The first mission of technology and the whole mission of technology and its root is just to help life humans have a better life in context with how existence works, to make it easier to live and more functional and to be creative in that.
Speaker 2:That second piece is kind of a big addition. Yeah, so the one thing is there is a desire to. Humans are just living in the earth.
Speaker 3:We're trying to, like all the other creatures Trying to survive.
Speaker 2:They start doing something themselves that are generating things, right, that have never existed before, like, like they're being created. That is such a crazy thing, right, like a shovel yeah right, that's the universe that's the original form of technology. It's which becomes ahoe, which becomes like a drip, and the things we're doing now, like we can remove the tops of mountains. That's still related to the shovel.
Speaker 3:Right, exactly. But if I held on to the form of the shovel and said no, no, no, no, no, you can't have an iPad, you've got to have a shovel, exactly I would be. There's something wrong with that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not evolving with the mission yeah, and there's a fear in us, yeah, some of us so. So there's there's like there, there are camps of people and you can feel it's like the new, the new, the new, always new, anything, anything old, like I don't like it, you know, and that there's a kind of extreme edge over there.
Speaker 3:And then there's the like now anything new is wrong and of the devil right but which is so interesting too, because, look, the fact of the matter is, I've got an ipad and I've got a shovel. That's it nice one and Nice one.
Speaker 2:And they're both useful. They're both useful. It's like, yeah, the bones are the stoniest part of me, but I'm not saying like I'm done with the bones, because I'm working on developing cartilage and now I'm developing skin, and it's crazy. Everything then starts to be a part of a whole organism. Nice, all right.
Speaker 3:So those are like big level pictures, like how do we?
Speaker 2:think of what is preserved and consistent, what is also the things which are changing, growing, unfolding and blossoming, new evolving elements, and what is the hidden spirit mission that is behind and moving through that evolution. It's always actually, and this is why you could say the way the language of the church would say, is I am the alpha and the omega, I am the seed and the fruit. I'm going to begin this project, I'm its starting point, but I'm its goal. You all actually are striving. The church body, then, is on a mission to die and resurrect, and resurrect If it is of Jesus.
Speaker 3:Christ, then its entire mission is to live his life. Whoa, I just want to bask in that statement for a second Right. So okay, you're saying Christianity is this being because he says I am its alpha and I am its omega, I'm its seed and its flower, I'm its shovel and its iPad. Maybe not iPad's, not the end for sure. No, it definitely is not, not at all, but you get the point no no. But you know what the end is what?
Speaker 2:The New Jerusalem? Yeah, that's technology, exactly.
Speaker 3:It's a city. It's a city. It has gates, something humans create, yes, or at least co-create that is actually the omega of technology.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know how that's landed in our listeners, but that's true. That's true.
Speaker 3:And there'll be a shadow version of that. Amen, and there already is in a way. I remember when Katie and I my wife for the first time into the strip and just it was I mean my wife's not even so immersed in these pictures, but she was like this is like a fallen heaven, this is like some sort of shadow version of heaven. And it's true, it's such an accurate word.
Speaker 2:It's not the most advanced I think we'll develop those false we haven't been to dubai. You're right, we should go there sometime or like there's some places that are rivaling las vegas by easily, easily passing it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but that's that is a picture. Yeah, and those are. Those are the, the height, in a certain way, of our creation.
Speaker 2:Unbelievable, genius intelligence involved in the generation of a new world. Yeah, that's it. So okay, now I think we're ready for me. What's such a truly profound statement when we hear in our Easter liturgy Christ is risen to you? The way it's translated in our English liturgies is Christ is risen to you as the meaning of the earth, and there's some poverty in this translation, which you have corrected today. Okay, you have included purpose. Yeah, because meaning in English sounds like just idea.
Speaker 3:Just intellectual understanding, oh.
Speaker 2:That's what this means, right, like I look it up in the dictionary, but what's missing is the will. End of it. So the wisdom side is touched on. Oh, why is the earth experience I'm having like this? And what has happened is, well, you could say the Buddha would teach us. There is actually an emptiness to the earth experience, so the best we can do is actually extract ourselves from it. All of this is empty. It's all illusion. It's illusion. Yeah, so Christ's coming into an earth experience and suffering and going through what only can be experienced on the earth, and all of the pain and suffering and horribleness that he went through and then rose through changed that fact. So all earth experience is no longer empty. It's full of meaning and purpose. It has imbued, and this is the highest level that we can only say. I think, in our time now is so the okay, the phrase our time now is.
Speaker 2:Okay, the phrase in German is Erden, sinn. It's one word, two words put together into a one word Erden, which is earth, dash sinn. And the word sinn has purpose and meaning in it. But it has something else in it Mind, spirit, yeah, reason, the capacity to reason. In other words, he is the intelligence of the earth, he is the mind. The earth became his body as well, and he's the mind at work, the secret thinking, the actual mind inside the planet. It is a thinking which means it's a logos, it's a creative process. It is not artificial intelligence, it's the earth intelligence, and what's being generated right now is an alternate version of that. It's going to be a mechanical, sub-earthly computer mind through the cloud. It's being developed all the time A superintelligence that we will be able to access. We will very soon be able to implant these chips into our brains and be able to access the superintelligence At any moment. At any moment, just like those who follow Christ seek to let their minds participate in his mind through the Holy Spirit, or Holy Mind.
Speaker 3:Wow, so that's so wonderful and powerful, also in terms of just the transformation of the truth of the Buddha, yeah, that he discovered actually this realm, this earthly existence. The consciousness that we have here is empty and you've got to find something by severing yourself from this endless cycle. And there's a way that he's discovered to reconnect, but it's outside of earth existence.
Speaker 2:As was true for all of the spirit paths prior to Christ Right, you actually have to go out of your body to find the spirit Right.
Speaker 3:And yet what you've said is, through this logos being this God, this true human being, incarnating, coming into earth existence and making it his abode and bringing his mind and his heart and his will and his aim into that place of emptiness, that it's now full. It's full of his intelligence. And I know because I know you, you don't mean intelligence just merely abstract intellectual thinking. You mean an intelligence that includes the heart, includes the will, includes the whole human, includes the will, includes the whole human.
Speaker 2:That it's a deep wisdom, intelligence, that's life engendering, yeah, and in the computer language you could say he is the operating system. He's the operating system Of the earth.
Speaker 3:Right, but I love how you brought in also because it's not, and we know that it's not that there's not also the empty grave alongside it. It's a part of it.
Speaker 2:Right, you made it a part of it.
Speaker 3:This is the mystery that now is actually taking real shape as a shadow mirror of this intelligence of Christ in the form of technology, in the form of the fallen shadow version of AI, but that in the midst of that is this true intelligence. Yeah, so it's like truly a light in the darkness picture.
Speaker 2:It's not either or With it integrated it's in it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and somehow we're called then to discern.
Speaker 2:Yeah, called then to discern. Yeah, that's why the name of this intelligence as an operation, and pardon, me for these words, but I just want to use them a little bit just to compare them is life, death and resurrection.
Speaker 2:That's its name, that is the mind of Christ and that means, because he has integrated the earth reality into his reality Life, suffering, death and resurrection. You have given so much of your blood, sweat and tears to this pattern and discovering it, and the pattern is right because it is in the etheric or life sphere where the mind expresses itself. The life process of God on earth is life, suffering, death and resurrection. This is it and he's trying to show through his uniting his intelligence with the body of the earth, which is a marriage, it's a wedding of his own spirit, mind and all of its mind in the sense of its essential creative essence, the soul forces of thinking, feeling and willing, with the life forces that are engendered through the sacrificial self, that are like spring and a new cosmic body which will emerge when the earth falls away in its current form it is an entire cosmic being wow, erden zin.
Speaker 2:It's like an entire reality. It is a realm. That is a person.
Speaker 1:This is why it's so hard to think right.
Speaker 2:He is more than Jesus. He is now a community. He is more than a community. He is now a planetary reality. Right, a cosmic body. Right, cosmic body, right. So what happened on Golgotha was the victory over the prince of this world, the empty one, the one who was ruling with power to his advantage. Yeah, the one who was ruling on the earth with intelligence without heart, has been overcome by one who's centered in love. He's imbued all of our experiences on earth with the love mystery. That's another way of saying it.
Speaker 3:Right and the love mystery is described as you have with the essence of his name, the essence of his name. Is life, death, resurrection revelation. That that is love, is a part of his new intelligence. Yeah, is a part of his new intelligence, yeah, and that it seems, then, that that is the core mission that we're meant to speak out of.
Speaker 2:Yes, that is the joyful news. Listen, everything you're going through, friends, has a purpose. Every part of our lives is connected to a wisdom. This is the place where love comes into being in the universe and it comes into being as a light within a darkness. Whatever you're bearing, whatever you're suffering darkness, whatever you're bearing, whatever you're suffering, whatever you're struggling with in your embodied existence on earth this is the moment and place where sacrificial love can come into being. This is the moment and place where you can die to yourself in love, for your friends or not. But this is the place and to connect, to see him rise out of his suffering and death, to see him rise in a new form. Oh, that's the fruit that grows from the tree of the earth. Through him, he has made all of earth experience, imbued with purpose and meaning, and that gives us life. It's like, oh, I can get up and try to live my life again. This has a purpose.
Speaker 2:Meaninglessness, purposelessness for the human soul is actual death. That is death and we see it. Not physical death, that is not death. Amen, that is death and we see it. Not physical death, that is not death. Purposelessness, meaninglessness that is death.
Speaker 3:That's actual soul death, which is much more.
Speaker 2:People take their lives. They would rather not live than live without purpose, and meaning 100.
Speaker 3:And we're seeing it. It's an epidemic Increasing.
Speaker 2:We've never had it so well, yeah, and we've never had such an absolute epidemic of meaninglessness and purposelessness.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely which is an interesting characteristic of despair is a new term. It's a new term, but it's an interesting characteristic of our times. Yeah, in the sense, the sense and of this new intelligence reality, of this new meaning of the earth that it doesn't obviously force itself on you, no, otherwise we wouldn't have deaths of despair.
Speaker 3:Right, because everyone would be filled with this meaning. Yeah, right, because everyone would be filled with this meaning. Yeah, but another characteristic of this mission is that it's there always, but it doesn't force itself on you. Yeah, it's knocking at the door of your heart, but it doesn't say you have to then. Now have this meaning, have this purpose, have this task.
Speaker 2:It's waiting to be discovered in a way so as to enliven the free quality of our being. Yeah, right now I think there are I don't know the full count, I'd have to look but I think Starlink itself has over 40,000 satellites now surrounding our planet. Wow, which is just mind-blowing.
Speaker 3:It's mind-blowing. You can actually, if you have the right equipment, you can see a string of satellites constantly. You can track them constantly. That's just one company.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's one company Right, china, and the plan is for hundreds of thousands more. Yeah, so a vision.
Speaker 2:You can imagine the planet surrounded by a new artificial star system which is going to be a part of making it possible to link anywhere around the Earth into this new superintelligence. Quantum computing is also about we're really on the doorstep of that happening, and every human will then be provided the tool to link into this planetary mind that will be present as a kind of atmosphere around the earth. That is there in part because in our time it is now possible to also link our minds to the mind of Christ, to think in his mind at any moment, any time, anywhere, and feel something wiser, more loving and more good pouring into me.
Speaker 2:That is not me. That's, for me, the beautiful thing. How do we link into that and how is our movement shaped and emerging? In the age where this link in a new way is possible to link up to the mind of Christ, okay, well, that's radical right, because in a way you could say okay, well, discovering in myself a relationship with death and resurrection.
Speaker 3:that mission has been from the very beginning, from Christ's word to Peter that die and become new. Follow me and reveal God in your death. That's been there from the beginning.
Speaker 2:That's it.
Speaker 3:And every true Christian, no matter what church you go to, I would just submit, is if it's really a Christian movement is working with that mystery. Now, that's a question whether or not what's truly Christian but at least proclaiming that that happened in Jesus' life.
Speaker 3:Yeah, at a very minimum. And I'm worshiping that, yes, but you just said something interesting that has more to do with, perhaps, a specific mission in our movement, but not just as like a little side branch, but connected with what we've been talking about. Yes, talking about with a sense that this being, this Christ being, this Alpha and this Omega, has a biography and he's working in a new way, and so the forms have to start to be new too to capture his spirit. So is that how you would describe that element, this new way of connecting to an intelligence? Would that be an element of our specific mission as a movement?
Speaker 2:Yeah, in a simple way you could put it, it's like the moment of world Pentecost. What happened as a first premonition of what could happen, where the Spirit of Christ descended and filled the hearts and minds of his disciples 50 days after his resurrection, is now possible to take place on a world level, whereas if you go back to what the church has been preaching for the last 1500 years or so, in the early church that wasn't the case, but it was very clearly said you cannot connect to God with your mind. You can only do it through faith. You can kind of believe in it and you can kind of feel it, but as something you can actually think. You had to kind of keep your thinking self outside of your religious life, which is never going to be the end state, and that became then. What? The no, no, no, you cannot, you're not allowed to think.
Speaker 2:You can think God, and all kinds of efforts have even been done to prevent that to actually work against that which is fascinating in the church's history, but to be at this moment where our thinking can now become something that is related to the forces of the heart and not just a cold element separated from the powers of love and devotion but can actually be connected to the powers of sacrificial love, meaning that means all of us can be christened, we can start to include the whole thing and that place of greatest emptiness and darkness and coldness, the mind, otherwise known in the gospel as the place of the skull. His blood, in which his spirit is active, can flow into that. Now, that is, the warm, life-giving element of his being can flow into the place of the skull in our age, which is right for our listeners.
Speaker 3:That's another word for that is Golgotha, which is the mountain on which the crucifixion occurred, where his blood literally flowed out and entered the hill, the place of the skull. So the imagination is now. This empty death place of the mind can be filled with his living intelligence, which already, as a seed, was there in the beginning like we've talked about, but only now, in a way, is starting to become ripe.
Speaker 2:We are now ripe. That's it. It is time. It's time To include that part of who we are so that that link can happen with his creative intelligence.
Speaker 3:Right, that's so important? I think so. What I hear you saying is one of our unique missions as this being itself evolves, missions as this being itself evolves. Which was there in the beginning is now there's an emphasis on that. The human being is also ripe in its evolution. Humanity is also evolving to the point where now we're ripe to start even more fully uniting with this Christ Jesus being, in the sense that something needs to be taken into our thinking. We even say that in our liturgy.
Speaker 2:And that would be exciting to look at a little bit some of how this comes to expression in totally radically new ways in the history of the liturgy of the church.
Speaker 3:Right, but just to connect to your word also, that says his mind is thinking and literally as a new form, a new stone that is trying to match that, be a vessel for that. In our liturgy it says now take this into your thinking and then thus it's going to think in us, Christ's suffering and death, his resurrection, his revelation. So literally, in the form of our movement, it's trying to capture, make a house for that new evolutionary process that's being called up in the human being.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and probably the most important, holiest moment in the practice of worship in the history of the church is called in the churchical speech out of the Greek anamnesis, and that is the remembering of his Eucharistic practice, the breaking of the bread and the offering of the wine, where, in the Gospels of Matthew and I always forget which of the synoptics it says do this in remembrance of me A memory force is spoken of, where we would normally say that in our liturgy, after we have broken the bread and offered the wine, remembering what he did, we remember it, we remember it together, and then we hear that Jesus said to his disciples something new that you cannot find there, and that is take this into your thinking, and that's a revolution. That's a revolution, that's an absolute revolution. Take this into your thinking, that your thinking can become receptive to the mind of Christ, simply put, which is totally Pauline in original church too.
Speaker 3:Right, it's not that it never was there Right, because it's in the very deed of Golgotha, as you described, the blood into the skull. John's gospel says eternal life is this that you know the Father and the son, so knowing christ becomes just newly possible.
Speaker 2:yeah, in our age, because our own intelligence forces have been ripening in humanity. Of course they have. Look around us. That's why we can build AI. 500 years ago, we could never have built AI. No, our own intelligence forces are ripe enough to take the mind of Christ into our minds, yeah, and so he has to appear and transform his body so that it can be equipped in the age when an alternate mind is going to be presented as an option to link in with Right.
Speaker 3:So there's always that shadow version, yep, the light is always in the darkness. Well, that was a wonderful gift on a Friday morning and I love if it really does feel like we touched in on the universal Christian alpha and omega path mission journey and a unique quality also that our movement for religious renewal is trying to embody. Thank you, patrick.
Speaker 2:Thank you, Jonah © B.
Speaker 1:Emily Beynon you.